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Manufacturer: NCE


Summary: NCE began as an OEM in 1993, supplying hardware and software for the Wangrow SystemOne. Today NCE offers a variety of DCC Systems and accessories.

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General information
Phone +1-585-265-0230
Fax +1-585-265-0234
Email support@ncecorporation.com
Main URL Main URL
URL to manuals
Address NCE Corporation

82 East main Street Webster, NY 14580

Date Opened 1993
Date Closed
Successor
Device Types Booster, Command Station, Mobile Decoder, Other, Power Supply, Stationary Decoder, Throttle

NCE Corporation

Company Summary

NCE began manufacturing DCC Products on an OEM basis in 1993 and was originally known as North Coast Engineering. They provided the software component of Wangrow's SystemOne and RamFixx Technologies' RamTraxx DCC systems. Today, NCE has to grown into a full time electronic design and manufacturing firm devoted entirely to the development and sale of products for the control of model railroads.

The NCE Power House was intended to be marketed by Wangrow as the next generation SystemOne. Wangrow declined, so NCE decided since it was a finished, ready for production product, they would release it under their own brand. Wangrow subsequently went out of business when their licence for the command station software supplied by NCE expired. Wangrow failed to comprehend the difficulty and time requirements needed to create their own software.

Products

NCE produces a full line of Digital Command Control products

Starter Sets

Advanced Systems
  • Power Pro
    • Power Pro R (Radio)
  • Power Pro 10
    • Power Pro 10 R

Originally this system was marketed under the Power House name. Complete system with Throttle (Pro Cab), integrated Command Station / Booster. A Power Supply is NOT included.

  • Five- and 10-Amp versions available.
  • Walkaround capability
  • Expansion: 63 devices (Additional cabs and accessory items). NCE calls anything on the throttle network a "cab".
  • Interface: Serial Port, RS232. USB adaptor card is not recommended as some commands are not available over USB connections.
  • Programming Track connections, Programming Track Booster recommended.
Entry Level Systems
  • Power Cab

While the Power Cab looks a lot like a Power Pro (they use the same package for the throttle), it is a 1.5A Booster, Command Station and Throttle integrated into a handheld device. If you disconnect it from the layout, everything stops as the DCC track signal is generated in the handheld. Adding a Smart Booster eliminates that issue. The tight level of integration limits the available current for the track power bus. Some software features are also absent.

The Power Cab features Pro Cab compatibility when connected to NCE Pro Cab / Power Pro command station it functions as a throttle. A cable to enable this feature is included.

The interface to the layout is called the PCP or Pro Cab Panel. It has connections for the ProCab, DC Power, and the Rail A and B terminals to connect the track power bus. It also has jacks to enable expansion of the system via the Cab Bus. Only three additional UTP panels are supported. In addition, three additional cab bus devices are supported for a total of three throttles and three accessories.

Supports USB interfaces for computer control

Basic System
  • DCC Twin

This system features two throttles integrated into a single enclosure with the command station and a 3A booster. Limited programming options. Can also be used as a pair of throttles in another NCE system.

Power Pro compared to Power Cab

The Power Pro has additional features. While both units may look alike, there are some important differences:

  1. Computer interface: RS232, does not require a cab bus address to function, advanced features compared to other NCE systems
  2. Macro Capability Enhanced
  3. Accessory decoders last state is restored upon power up
  4. Control up to 250 locomotives
  5. Consisting: Up to 128 Advanced Consists possible, with additional consisting features.

Throttles

  • Pro Cab/Pro Cab R
  • ProCab Deluxe
  • Cab6
    • Available singe throttle cab with radio and choice of rotary encoder or potentiometer. Four digit display. Can be used with YARD mode (center zero)
  • Cab06r: Radio version

Discontinued

Wireless cabs
  • Cab04pr
  • Cab04r
Tethered Cabs
  • Cab04
  • Cab05

Notes

A Pro Cab and a Power Cab look almost identical but they are two completely different products.

A Pro Cab is a Throttle only. It requires a DCC command station to function. It is a dumb terminal with a keypad and a display.

The Power Cab is a complete DCC system in one package. It is a Throttle, Command Station and Booster. All three in one (handheld) package.

  • The Power Cab has a six-wire cable which connects it to the power supply, and also has wires which carry the digital DCC track signal and the throttle bus. This cable cannot be substituted with another. If you need a longer reach, the solution is to purchase a Cab06. They are available in tethered and wireless versions. The Power Cab must remain connected to the Power Cab Panel for the system to work.
  • If you wish to run more than a few locomotives with your Power Cab, an SB5 booster may be required.

Each Cab must have its own unique cab address. Available cab addresses are based on the command station being used. Example: For a Power Cab system the available cab addresses are 3, 4, and 5. Addresses 8, 9, and 10 can be used for devices like the USB interface, AIU and Mini Panel.

Command Stations

  • PH-Box
    • Power Pro System command station/booster
  • CS02
    • Command Station Only for Power Pro
  • SB5 Smart Booster
    • Five-amp command station / booster for Power Cab system, up to six throttles. NCE radio compatible. Converts to booster only if needed.

See this page for firmware revisions applicable to their command stations.

Boosters

NCE has used three product names in its manufacturing history.

  1. MASTER SERIES
  2. Power House
  3. Power Pro
  • PB5
    • Five Amp
  • PB110A
    • 10 Amp Booster with Automatic Reverse. Recommended for large scales.
  • DB5
    • Five Amp booster

Expansion Boosters

  • DB3/DB3A
    • Replaced by the DB5 Booster
  • SB3/SB3A
    • Replaced by SB5 Smart Booster

The SB5 and DB5 are 5A units. They are current production as of 2017

Smart Booster Firmware
Version 1.28
  • Function Refresh
  • USB support
  • 28 Functions
  • CVs up to 999 supported
  • Reset to factory defaults
Version 1.65
  • Total number of Cabs supported is 6, Addresses 2-7.
  • Supports three AUI, USB or Minipanels on addresses 8-10
  • Improved USB functions

1.65a

  • Corrected issues with Dumb Booster modes

1.65b

  • Number of cab addresses available after reset corrected
Older Units
  • PB105. This model evolved into the DB and SB3 boosters. Available by special order only.
  • PB110 10A booster, superseded by the PB110a
  • PB205. Many PB205a boosters don't have the model's name marked on the front of the booster. Dual 5A boosters

Circuit Protection

Main article: NCE/Circuit Protectors

Auto Reverser

AR10 10A Auto Reverser

Discontinued Products

Discontinued Products, NCE
Name Replacement
CAB04P CAB06P
CAB04PR CAB06PR
CAB05R DISCONTINUED
CAB05
SB3 SB5
SB3A
DB3 DB5
SWITCH-IT SWITCH-IT II
SWITCH-8 SWITCH-8 MK II
DIN PANEL DISCONTINUED
PACKET ANALYSER

See Also

  • NCE FAQs
  • NCE FAQ - NCE Frequently Asked Questions
  • NCE Hints - Hints and tips for NCE products
  • NCE Products - a more detailed list of NCE's offerings.
  • Wangrow - Early DCC manufacturer which used NCE parts and software.

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NCE FAQs

Q: Difference between NCE Pro Cab and Power Cab

While the Pro Cab and Power Cab are very similar in appearance, they are not the same. Often, they are mistakenly referred to by the wrong name.

NCE Pro Cab Starter Set (Radio)

The Pro Cab is a Cab or Throttle only. It requires connection through NCE's Cab Bus to a command station to operate, as well as a booster to amplify the command station's output to track levels. It comes as part of several pieces in a starter set, or can be purchased separately.

The Power Cab is a complete starter set in one package. Everything needed is contained in the handheld throttle. It comes with two cables, one if the Power Cab is to be used as a throttle connecting to the command station via the Cab Bus, the other (heavier) cable enables it to function as DCC system. Additional throttles can be used with the Power Cab, via the Cab Bus.

NCE Power Cab Starter Set

Both are throttles. Only one has the command station and booster built in.

Edit FAQ Related Articles: NCE Power Cab, pro cab Related Manufacturer: NCE Categories: Starter Set, Throttle

Q: Power Cab Ammeter

The Power Cab has an ammeter built in. It can be turned on to display the current used by a locomotive.

Note: This feature will not work if the Power Cab is being used with an external booster.

  1. In the lower left corner of the Power Cab keypad press the Program / Escape (PROG/ESC) key six times. Look for "SET CAB PARAMS"
  2. Press the "ENTER" key.
  3. Display will change to "SHOW TRK CURRENT 1=Y".
  4. Press "1" key to activate.
  5. Press PROG/ESC key two times to get back to the main screen.

The clock display will be temporarily replaced by the ammeter display. if you make a mistake just remove and restore power and start over.

When Program Track mode is used or the Power Cab is powered down the clock will be restored.

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Q: Programming CVs over 255 with an NCE Power Pro

It is not possible to program a CV higher than 255 using a Power Pro DCC System by NCE. This answer pertains to the Power Pro, not the Power Cab.

Attempting to do so may corrupt a multifunction decoder.

There is an issue within the firmware used by the Power Pro. The firmware lacks the ability to trap a value greater than 255. The issue is that the firmware is truncating the most significant bit. A value of 256 is equal to 2^8 in Binary (See note).

The firmware ignores this bit, only seeing 8 bits (numbered 0-7, maximum decimal value of 255). If a value such as 256 is entered, it sees the first eight bits as having values of zero. Attempting to write to CV285 results in CV29 being altered (285 –256 = 29).

Software such as JMRI DecoderPro has internal logic to trap any write attempts to CVs over 255. Some multifunction decoders may have workarounds in their firmware to prevent these issues.

Note:

The maximum value contained in one byte (eight bits) is 255, represented by the hexadecimal value of FF. The value of 256 is equal to 100 in hex. By truncating the most significant bit, the resulting value is 00.

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